Comments on: Do LP Writers Go To Hell? Thomas Kohnstamm Might. http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/ Online travel magazine dedicated to exploring travel in the 21st century. Offering travel news, compelling interviews, online travel tools, and more. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:14:28 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Thomas Kohnstamm: Do Travel Writers Go to Hell? | Get Unforgettable Vacation http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-74507 Thomas Kohnstamm: Do Travel Writers Go to Hell? | Get Unforgettable Vacation Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:09:46 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-74507 [...] Br­a­ve­ Ne­w Travele­r­ April 14 [...] [...] Br­a­ve­ Ne­w Travele­r­ April 14 [...]

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]]> By: Wise http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-66557 Wise Sat, 10 May 2008 05:08:48 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-66557 Reading about Thomas Kohnstamm did not come as a surprise to me as most guest house, restaurant, and bar owners in South East Asia will tell you how much they had to pay to be recommended. As for not complying, from a hotel that was listed as closed for refurbishment for years after it reopened, to a guest house slagged off when the owner of a neighbouring establishment was friends with a researcher, a restuarant owner who was threatened with a bad review for insisting that the resarchers paid for their meals, the list is endless. There was also the story of a researcher in Vietnam who admitted to being driven around by a local who only took them to establishments that paid him commision. Any one who trusts that pile of rubbish is an idiot/ Now that the BBC now own 75% of it, I hope that it gets its act together and realises what a croc of s*!t it bought and sorts it out Reading about Thomas Kohnstamm did not come as a surprise to me as most guest house, restaurant, and bar owners in South East Asia will tell you how much they had to pay to be recommended.

As for not complying, from a hotel that was listed as closed for refurbishment for years after it reopened, to a guest house slagged off when the owner of a neighbouring establishment was friends with a researcher, a restuarant owner who was threatened with a bad review for insisting that the resarchers paid for their meals, the list is endless.

There was also the story of a researcher in Vietnam who admitted to being driven around by a local who only took them to establishments that paid him commision.

Any one who trusts that pile of rubbish is an idiot/

Now that the BBC now own 75% of it, I hope that it gets its act together and realises what a croc of s*!t it bought and sorts it out

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]]> By: Gareth http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-62830 Gareth Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:39:30 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-62830 gary, first, the original article made it look like he was a writer intentionally taking advantage of LP, and if you write for a livng that makes you look bad. i dont blame people for getting angry. yeah they overeacted, but they cooled out when the facts came. whats youre excuse? second, if as you say its about the book ,which was originaly thought to burn people, youre coming in after all the facts are in. how conveinient for you. maybe you should actually look at the followup article and save the monkey comments for yourself, since youre also acting on half the facts. this thread is dead. third, i guess youve got no problem owning a whole wall of hitler paintings, because hes a good painter right? no ones a saint, but if someone is an asshole it does matter. if it doesnt to you, i feel sorry for you. just another mcshopper with no conscience. too bad thats ad hominem, but in a forum its not about the book its about the comments, and yours make you look like a souless jerk. fourth, if melvile was a wife beater, yeah,some people would read his books, and feminists would get on websites and complain. maybe youd go one the feminist site and tell them theyre monkeys and its all about the book, and id still feel sorry for you. but melville was gay so you lucked out. even though you still got no soul, and i really hope you dont have a wife. gary,
first, the original article made it look like he was a writer intentionally taking advantage of LP, and if you write for a livng that makes you look bad. i dont blame people for getting angry. yeah they overeacted, but they cooled out when the facts came. whats youre excuse?
second, if as you say its about the book ,which was originaly thought to burn people, youre coming in after all the facts are in. how conveinient for you. maybe you should actually look at the followup article and save the monkey comments for yourself, since youre also acting on half the facts. this thread is dead.
third, i guess youve got no problem owning a whole wall of hitler paintings, because hes a good painter right? no ones a saint, but if someone is an asshole it does matter. if it doesnt to you, i feel sorry for you. just another mcshopper with no conscience. too bad thats ad hominem, but in a forum its not about the book its about the comments, and yours make you look like a souless jerk.
fourth, if melvile was a wife beater, yeah,some people would read his books, and feminists would get on websites and complain. maybe youd go one the feminist site and tell them theyre monkeys and its all about the book, and id still feel sorry for you. but melville was gay so you lucked out. even though you still got no soul, and i really hope you dont have a wife.

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]]> By: Gary http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-62579 Gary Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:47:41 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-62579 Has anyone read the book? Is it good? If it is, all bets are off. You're all a bunch of monkeys. His personality, his lack of ethics--that's ad hominem. It's about the book. Some people are talking about him like he is a womanizer, and somewhere along they way they have been burned by this kind of guy, so they overeact to something. The emotional reaction doesn't match the situation. Really seriously, if the book works, I dont care what if he's an asshole. Melville was rumored to get drunk and throw his wife down the stairs. So now you aint gonna read Moby Dick? Has anyone read the book? Is it good?

If it is, all bets are off. You’re all a bunch of monkeys.

His personality, his lack of ethics–that’s ad hominem. It’s about the book.

Some people are talking about him like he is a womanizer, and somewhere along they way they have been burned by this kind of guy, so they overeact to something. The emotional reaction doesn’t match the situation.

Really seriously, if the book works, I dont care what if he’s an asshole.

Melville was rumored to get drunk and throw his wife down the stairs.

So now you aint gonna read Moby Dick?

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]]> By: Tom McDonnell http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-62480 Tom McDonnell Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:12:13 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-62480 Kohnstamm is well aware that people read these memoirs to see how low they can go it's an impulse that we've seen over and over. The sad thing is it will sell and it will pad out his retirement nest. I will follow your example of not giving the man a penny. I wonder if people would pay to read of my exploits where I pursue the literary gangsters, criminals, US interns, drug dealers and Thomas Kohnstamms of this world and kick them ugly in their local alley. I could call it "Do people who attack people who are going to hell go to hell?". I'll contact his agent. I found this link to a new Aussie comedy travel show about Colombia. I don't think it irons out the inconsistencies in the Lonely Planet but at least they took the time to go and it's nice to see something of the everyday existence of Colombians without mention of the usual. http://youtube.com/watch?v=z-TNGOHxnK8&feature=related Kohnstamm is well aware that people read these memoirs to see how low they can go it’s an impulse that we’ve seen over and over. The sad thing is it will sell and it will pad out his retirement nest. I will follow your example of not giving the man a penny.

I wonder if people would pay to read of my exploits where I pursue the literary gangsters, criminals, US interns, drug dealers and Thomas Kohnstamms of this world and kick them ugly in their local alley. I could call it “Do people who attack people who are going to hell go to hell?”. I’ll contact his agent.

I found this link to a new Aussie comedy travel show about Colombia. I don’t think it irons out the inconsistencies in the Lonely Planet but at least they took the time to go and it’s nice to see something of the everyday existence of Colombians without mention of the usual.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z-TNGOHxnK8&feature=related

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]]> By: Cássio http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-62478 Cássio Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:53:49 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-62478 The language spoken in Brazil is portuguese, not spanish. Brasileñas is <i>spanish</i> The correct portuguese word is <b>brasileiras</b>. The language spoken in Brazil is portuguese, not spanish. Brasileñas is spanish The correct portuguese word is brasileiras.

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]]> By: Kiki http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-62386 Kiki Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:09:58 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-62386 Just to share... Last year in Colombia I made the mistake of buying the LP. It was so off touch that it took the phrase "the book of lies" to a whole other level. It was common knowledge, at least around Colombia in 2007, that the author hadn't been to the country for more than 3 weeks, and that the book was based on the previous edition. It was also no secret that certain key hostels (I'll respect their anonymity) were contacted for info on their cities. At least one hostel declined assisting, and another throughly enjoyed the opportunity. I wrote to LP, telling them how disappointed with the edition I was. Surprisingly, I received a response, which began with "I am afraid that I must totally agree with your email. Our Colombia guide is not up to the standards of our other guides and has suffered from a lot of problems. In regards to the missing sections in the guide, there is a bit of a history behind that." Basically, no one should be surprised by this story. Least of all LP. Just to share…

Last year in Colombia I made the mistake of buying the LP. It was so off touch that it took the phrase “the book of lies” to a whole other level. It was common knowledge, at least around Colombia in 2007, that the author hadn’t been to the country for more than 3 weeks, and that the book was based on the previous edition. It was also no secret that certain key hostels (I’ll respect their anonymity) were contacted for info on their cities. At least one hostel declined assisting, and another throughly enjoyed the opportunity.

I wrote to LP, telling them how disappointed with the edition I was. Surprisingly, I received a response, which began with “I am afraid that I must totally agree with your email. Our Colombia guide is not up to the standards of our other guides and has suffered from a lot of problems. In regards to the missing sections in the guide, there is a bit of a history behind that.”

Basically, no one should be surprised by this story. Least of all LP.

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]]> By: nomad22 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/04/14/lonely-planet-scandal-ohnstamm/comment-page-2/#comment-62338 nomad22 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:22:56 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=532#comment-62338 im with "let's be honest", as far as ive heard these travel writers are paid LESS than minimum wage, and as you rightly state it's impossible to travel to every little town and experience all that must be experienced to truly write a guidebook on this kind of money. it's little wonder that places are overlooked and some "bribes" are taken. i bet there isnt a guidebook writer out there who hasnt done such a thing, nor hasnt given a more positive review about a place due to the way they were treated. come on!! im with “let’s be honest”, as far as ive heard these travel writers are paid LESS than minimum wage, and as you rightly state it’s impossible to travel to every little town and experience all that must be experienced to truly write a guidebook on this kind of money. it’s little wonder that places are overlooked and some “bribes” are taken. i bet there isnt a guidebook writer out there who hasnt done such a thing, nor hasnt given a more positive review about a place due to the way they were treated. come on!!

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