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		<title>By: Widya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Widya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asian people don&#039;t discriminate dark skinned asians? TOTALLY WRONG!! I&#039;m a dark skinned asian (not too dark, more like tan). and I&#039;m from Indonesia (Southeast Asia). I&#039;ve been living in the U.S. for 4 years now.

Some of what the Author said are true but apparently he didn&#039;t stayed in Asia long enough to investigate further. It&#039;s true that dark skinned one laughed when other people make jokes of their skin color, NOT because they&#039;re okay with it but because there&#039;s nothing they can do about it and by joking along with them makes it less painful. My mom and brother have light skin and they made fun of me all the time, I had to laugh it off but it hurts deep inside. 

Over there, having a light skin is very important, especially for women. The darker you are the less beautiful you are. My mom (she has a light skin) used to worry about my skin color, she&#039;d buy different kind of whitening products for me to try to improve my skin tone. I never felt pretty at all, don&#039;t get me wrong...I have a pretty nice looking face &amp; body but most of the guys didn&#039;t look at me that way (because of my skin color). I used to be so stressed out about it, but now that I live in the U.S, everything is the oposite. People here are actually think that I look great, I got compliments everyday, guys are hitting on me all the time, some people have asked me why I never thought of going to modelling school or something like that. It makes me feel better, but honestly...I still think that I&#039;m not pretty. Thats how bad the skin color discrimination over there have made me feel.

Of course asians don&#039;t think about it as a racism, it can&#039;t be, because we came from the same race to begin with. But it&#039;s still a discrimination. There are many job oportunities that require you to have light skin (NO KIDDING). Trust me, when it comes to discrimination, asians are way worse than westerners. If a company is trying to sort out the resumes for interviews, most of the time they&#039;d pick the good looking one. If they don&#039;t like the good looking one (if they&#039;re too stupid or something) after the interviews, then they&#039;d interview the rest. But sometimes they don&#039;t really care if they&#039;re dumb or smart. Unless it is a high position like managers or higher, it&#039;d be a different story.
Oh, if you are a handicap, there&#039;s no way you&#039;re gonna have a job, you&#039;d end up living your live doing nothing and being useless. You think you can get a disability check from the government? NOPE, not one penny. Sorry for being  harsh, but thats the awful truth. 

Another example. In the U.S, most of the times you can argue with your manager/boss, stand up for yourself, defend yourself. Over there, higher up people are always right and you have to listen of what they have to say due to respect of their position. 

I can share many other examples of &quot;discriminations&quot; in Asia. But they&#039;re too many. Hope you can get better understanding of Asians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asian people don&#8217;t discriminate dark skinned asians? TOTALLY WRONG!! I&#8217;m a dark skinned asian (not too dark, more like tan). and I&#8217;m from Indonesia (Southeast Asia). I&#8217;ve been living in the U.S. for 4 years now.</p>
<p>Some of what the Author said are true but apparently he didn&#8217;t stayed in Asia long enough to investigate further. It&#8217;s true that dark skinned one laughed when other people make jokes of their skin color, NOT because they&#8217;re okay with it but because there&#8217;s nothing they can do about it and by joking along with them makes it less painful. My mom and brother have light skin and they made fun of me all the time, I had to laugh it off but it hurts deep inside. </p>
<p>Over there, having a light skin is very important, especially for women. The darker you are the less beautiful you are. My mom (she has a light skin) used to worry about my skin color, she&#8217;d buy different kind of whitening products for me to try to improve my skin tone. I never felt pretty at all, don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8230;I have a pretty nice looking face &amp; body but most of the guys didn&#8217;t look at me that way (because of my skin color). I used to be so stressed out about it, but now that I live in the U.S, everything is the oposite. People here are actually think that I look great, I got compliments everyday, guys are hitting on me all the time, some people have asked me why I never thought of going to modelling school or something like that. It makes me feel better, but honestly&#8230;I still think that I&#8217;m not pretty. Thats how bad the skin color discrimination over there have made me feel.</p>
<p>Of course asians don&#8217;t think about it as a racism, it can&#8217;t be, because we came from the same race to begin with. But it&#8217;s still a discrimination. There are many job oportunities that require you to have light skin (NO KIDDING). Trust me, when it comes to discrimination, asians are way worse than westerners. If a company is trying to sort out the resumes for interviews, most of the time they&#8217;d pick the good looking one. If they don&#8217;t like the good looking one (if they&#8217;re too stupid or something) after the interviews, then they&#8217;d interview the rest. But sometimes they don&#8217;t really care if they&#8217;re dumb or smart. Unless it is a high position like managers or higher, it&#8217;d be a different story.<br />
Oh, if you are a handicap, there&#8217;s no way you&#8217;re gonna have a job, you&#8217;d end up living your live doing nothing and being useless. You think you can get a disability check from the government? NOPE, not one penny. Sorry for being  harsh, but thats the awful truth. </p>
<p>Another example. In the U.S, most of the times you can argue with your manager/boss, stand up for yourself, defend yourself. Over there, higher up people are always right and you have to listen of what they have to say due to respect of their position. </p>
<p>I can share many other examples of &#8220;discriminations&#8221; in Asia. But they&#8217;re too many. Hope you can get better understanding of Asians.
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting take, but if you really think &quot;they don’t look at a dark skinned person and think “they are less of a person.” &quot; then I can only imagine you haven&#039;t been here long enough. As you say, it&#039;s perhps a class issue more than a race one, but the middle and upper classes ABSOLUTELY do look down on the working classes. Some condos don&#039;t allow &quot;the help&quot; to ride the same elevators as the residents. The political troubles last year were all about class - and when the middle-class, educated &quot;yellow shirts&quot; can lay seige to an international airport for a week while the army does nothing, and the rural, dark-skinned &quot;red shirts&quot; get violently dispersed, the vested interests appear clear.

And for sure, people can joke about skin colour. Many people joke about physical appearance and it seems a lot of Thais would not be offended to be called ugly or fat, either. But, when a dark-skinned Thai ABSOLUTELY cannot get a date because of his/her colour, or cannot get certain jobs because of his/her colour, do you think that is acceptable?

And that&#039;s without even touching on the subject of the black and south Asian people in Thailand. A great many Thai people will tell you without any shame that they point-blank would never date a black or Indian person, and that is entirely due to their skin colour. An educated, middle or upper class black or Indian person in Thailand is for the large part considered unattractive by Thais, and that&#039;s without knowing anything of their background. So, where is the &quot;class&quot; argument there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take, but if you really think &#8220;they don’t look at a dark skinned person and think “they are less of a person.” &#8221; then I can only imagine you haven&#8217;t been here long enough. As you say, it&#8217;s perhps a class issue more than a race one, but the middle and upper classes ABSOLUTELY do look down on the working classes. Some condos don&#8217;t allow &#8220;the help&#8221; to ride the same elevators as the residents. The political troubles last year were all about class &#8211; and when the middle-class, educated &#8220;yellow shirts&#8221; can lay seige to an international airport for a week while the army does nothing, and the rural, dark-skinned &#8220;red shirts&#8221; get violently dispersed, the vested interests appear clear.</p>
<p>And for sure, people can joke about skin colour. Many people joke about physical appearance and it seems a lot of Thais would not be offended to be called ugly or fat, either. But, when a dark-skinned Thai ABSOLUTELY cannot get a date because of his/her colour, or cannot get certain jobs because of his/her colour, do you think that is acceptable?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s without even touching on the subject of the black and south Asian people in Thailand. A great many Thai people will tell you without any shame that they point-blank would never date a black or Indian person, and that is entirely due to their skin colour. An educated, middle or upper class black or Indian person in Thailand is for the large part considered unattractive by Thais, and that&#8217;s without knowing anything of their background. So, where is the &#8220;class&#8221; argument there?
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no...that&#039;s not racism in Asia.... that&#039;s just a trend of beauty. Asian prefer whiteness like women prefer being beautiful. If you are black, you&#039;ll still be treated as same as the others. Black can share all of public utilities such as restaurant, store, telephone, toilet, sink, seat....etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no&#8230;that&#8217;s not racism in Asia&#8230;. that&#8217;s just a trend of beauty. Asian prefer whiteness like women prefer being beautiful. If you are black, you&#8217;ll still be treated as same as the others. Black can share all of public utilities such as restaurant, store, telephone, toilet, sink, seat&#8230;.etc.
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		<title>By: svenai</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you have summed up Asia&#039;s situation perfectly. Thank you sir, for this insightful article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you have summed up Asia&#8217;s situation perfectly. Thank you sir, for this insightful article.
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making fun of anyone is all about one thing and one thing only: low self esteem on the part of the person making fun.  Racist behavior is a very serious personality deficiency.

Unfortunately for the person who has to deal with this psychological and emotional as well as social disorder, they are in the midst of social and emotional battering of the kind that has become a disease and is probably not able to be removed as it is institutional and within some societies glorified and held up high.

This is an example of how sad the human being can be.   Despite their intelligence and creativity the human psyche is also rife with serious personality flaws and racisim is one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making fun of anyone is all about one thing and one thing only: low self esteem on the part of the person making fun.  Racist behavior is a very serious personality deficiency.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the person who has to deal with this psychological and emotional as well as social disorder, they are in the midst of social and emotional battering of the kind that has become a disease and is probably not able to be removed as it is institutional and within some societies glorified and held up high.</p>
<p>This is an example of how sad the human being can be.   Despite their intelligence and creativity the human psyche is also rife with serious personality flaws and racisim is one of them.
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		<title>By: Shelz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it might not be completely true that Asians prefer white is due to race or class. It&#039;s just how Asians love fairer skin that we thought fairer skin looks &#039;cleaner&#039; and prettier on us. It&#039;s like how those models are so skinny and it creates a trend or a perception to the public that skinny equal to attractive. That&#039;s why there are uncountable slimming products in the market.

Same goes to the skin color here in Asia. Making skin look paler is very deeply rooted in Chinese tradition. In the old days of Chinese Dynasty, the queens already used pearl to whiten their skin. We believe that whitening can cover many flaws and we always aim for flawless skin. So really.. it has nothing to do with class.

There are a lot of tanned skin models here in Asia who looks gorgeous too. They definitely don&#039;t look poor. But it doesn&#039;t mean everyone with tanned skin would look as gorgeous. It&#039;s pretty much on individual taste.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it might not be completely true that Asians prefer white is due to race or class. It&#8217;s just how Asians love fairer skin that we thought fairer skin looks &#8216;cleaner&#8217; and prettier on us. It&#8217;s like how those models are so skinny and it creates a trend or a perception to the public that skinny equal to attractive. That&#8217;s why there are uncountable slimming products in the market.</p>
<p>Same goes to the skin color here in Asia. Making skin look paler is very deeply rooted in Chinese tradition. In the old days of Chinese Dynasty, the queens already used pearl to whiten their skin. We believe that whitening can cover many flaws and we always aim for flawless skin. So really.. it has nothing to do with class.</p>
<p>There are a lot of tanned skin models here in Asia who looks gorgeous too. They definitely don&#8217;t look poor. But it doesn&#8217;t mean everyone with tanned skin would look as gorgeous. It&#8217;s pretty much on individual taste.</p>
<p>Cheers.
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		<title>By: Sylvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to have lighter skin, personally, but for me it&#039;s got nothing to do with race or class - it&#039;s just personal preference. i.e. I just think light skin suits me more, in the same way that some people prefer to have long legs or red hair. There&#039;s nothing wrong with short legs or blonde hair - people just have different tastes. Actually I think pale skin can look very pretty. I have never lived in or been influenced by Asia, and I couldn&#039;t care LESS about trends or whatnot. I like light skin just because I do.

That being said, I don&#039;t give a hoot about anyone else&#039;s skin colour. I don&#039;t treat people differently just because of their complexion. I just prefer this for *myself*, and that&#039;s my business. Not everyone with pale skin is racist.

And discrimination goes both ways too. When I tell people I don&#039;t want a tan, they look at me like I&#039;m crazy. They&#039;re like, &quot;How could you POSSIBLY want to be white, that&#039;s DUMB!&quot; - so arrogant. Why can&#039;t you just respect people&#039;s preferences? Not everyone&#039;s perception of beauty is the same. If someone wants to be white/black/orange/purple/green, at the end of the day it&#039;s their skin and their choice. No colour is better than any other colour, it&#039;s simply a question of personal choice. :)

So my point is, this isn&#039;t always a racial issue so much as a cosmetic issue. Superficial, yes, but racist - not necessarily! It&#039;s perfectly acceptable to whiten or darken your skin so long as you don&#039;t try to force your ideals onto others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to have lighter skin, personally, but for me it&#8217;s got nothing to do with race or class &#8211; it&#8217;s just personal preference. i.e. I just think light skin suits me more, in the same way that some people prefer to have long legs or red hair. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with short legs or blonde hair &#8211; people just have different tastes. Actually I think pale skin can look very pretty. I have never lived in or been influenced by Asia, and I couldn&#8217;t care LESS about trends or whatnot. I like light skin just because I do.</p>
<p>That being said, I don&#8217;t give a hoot about anyone else&#8217;s skin colour. I don&#8217;t treat people differently just because of their complexion. I just prefer this for *myself*, and that&#8217;s my business. Not everyone with pale skin is racist.</p>
<p>And discrimination goes both ways too. When I tell people I don&#8217;t want a tan, they look at me like I&#8217;m crazy. They&#8217;re like, &#8220;How could you POSSIBLY want to be white, that&#8217;s DUMB!&#8221; &#8211; so arrogant. Why can&#8217;t you just respect people&#8217;s preferences? Not everyone&#8217;s perception of beauty is the same. If someone wants to be white/black/orange/purple/green, at the end of the day it&#8217;s their skin and their choice. No colour is better than any other colour, it&#8217;s simply a question of personal choice. <img src='http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So my point is, this isn&#8217;t always a racial issue so much as a cosmetic issue. Superficial, yes, but racist &#8211; not necessarily! It&#8217;s perfectly acceptable to whiten or darken your skin so long as you don&#8217;t try to force your ideals onto others.
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		<title>By: HyderabadChick</title>
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		<title>By: mock-heroic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im really not sure if its so much about race or class - being a malaysian female having spent the last 8 yrs overseas i would say it&#039;s just a different perception of beauty. older generation females in asia generally want to be as fair as possible and dont see being tanned as being attractive whereas it&#039;s different in countries like europe or australia. younger asian generations (as opposed to the older) who have studied overseas see the attractiveness in being tanned, in it suggesting you&#039;re someone who gets out and does things, travels, whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im really not sure if its so much about race or class &#8211; being a malaysian female having spent the last 8 yrs overseas i would say it&#8217;s just a different perception of beauty. older generation females in asia generally want to be as fair as possible and dont see being tanned as being attractive whereas it&#8217;s different in countries like europe or australia. younger asian generations (as opposed to the older) who have studied overseas see the attractiveness in being tanned, in it suggesting you&#8217;re someone who gets out and does things, travels, whatever.
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		<title>By: Snuzz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 01:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White people are privileged? You, my friend, have not been to Asia, gweilo :P</description>
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