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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few months ago some friends and I decided we&#039;d take a autorickshaw back to our hotel after an evening bollywood film.  There were no buses running at that hour, and our hotel wasn&#039;t very close.  

One autorickshaw driver approached us offered three times the price our hotel manager suggested was a fair amount.  We refused to go with him based on mere principal, though the equivalent was just a few bucks.  We started walking in the direction of our hotel.  

Another autorickshaw driver pulled up and agreed to our suggested price.  I found this to be totally brave and cool of him.  He said he understood tourists were being scammed and he didn&#039;t think it was right.  

Suddenly, driver number one rushed up.  Hollering, pointing, fist-pounding on the roof ensued.  Driver 2 didn&#039;t react, and though he appeared a little shaken up and scared, he stuck up for us.  Driver 1 yelled in hindi and driver 2 answered in English, allowing us to somewhat follow the scope of the argument.

Driver 2 later explained to us that taxi and autorickshaw drivers in the town of Jaipur cannot offer tourists local prices.  The taxi mafia (?) will come after them at night, busting up their vehicles and beating them, and sometimes their families.

I&#039;m grateful for this example of a brave man standing up for what he believed in.  My friends and I ended up paying him way more than the rate the first driver was asking.  Respect.

And for this article... It&#039;s really interesting to hear each unique voice defending what they believe to be &#039;truth.&#039;  In my opinion, each situation is circumstantial.  Ultimately, people will do what they will do.  

Those of us who feel we have more &#039;right&#039; opinions than others should simply lead by example.  Hopefully the masses will catch on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few months ago some friends and I decided we&#8217;d take a autorickshaw back to our hotel after an evening bollywood film.  There were no buses running at that hour, and our hotel wasn&#8217;t very close.  </p>
<p>One autorickshaw driver approached us offered three times the price our hotel manager suggested was a fair amount.  We refused to go with him based on mere principal, though the equivalent was just a few bucks.  We started walking in the direction of our hotel.  </p>
<p>Another autorickshaw driver pulled up and agreed to our suggested price.  I found this to be totally brave and cool of him.  He said he understood tourists were being scammed and he didn&#8217;t think it was right.  </p>
<p>Suddenly, driver number one rushed up.  Hollering, pointing, fist-pounding on the roof ensued.  Driver 2 didn&#8217;t react, and though he appeared a little shaken up and scared, he stuck up for us.  Driver 1 yelled in hindi and driver 2 answered in English, allowing us to somewhat follow the scope of the argument.</p>
<p>Driver 2 later explained to us that taxi and autorickshaw drivers in the town of Jaipur cannot offer tourists local prices.  The taxi mafia (?) will come after them at night, busting up their vehicles and beating them, and sometimes their families.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m grateful for this example of a brave man standing up for what he believed in.  My friends and I ended up paying him way more than the rate the first driver was asking.  Respect.</p>
<p>And for this article&#8230; It&#8217;s really interesting to hear each unique voice defending what they believe to be &#8216;truth.&#8217;  In my opinion, each situation is circumstantial.  Ultimately, people will do what they will do.  </p>
<p>Those of us who feel we have more &#8216;right&#8217; opinions than others should simply lead by example.  Hopefully the masses will catch on.
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think the article and many of the subsequent comments touch on important issues, I have to disagree with the point about seeking cheap meals on the road when one dines high-class at home.  I&#039;m traveling throughout South America for 10 months, give or take or when my money runs out, and I purposefully seek out cheap, street food because I think it offers an authentic experience.  In many places I&#039;ve visited so far on this trip, the expensive restaurants are geared towards tourists.  I don&#039;t want a menu in English, and I don&#039;t want to eat over-priced, bad pizza.  Furthermore, for me, the length of my trip is dependent upon how much money I have, so if saving $5 a day lets me have three more weeks, I&#039;ll take it.
As far as the taxi issue, sometimes it is absolutely necessary to take a taxi over public transportation.  In Brazil, for example, when I was couchsurfing and staying with locals, I was told never to take a bus after dark.  Also, I agree with Claudio88 who writes of great conversations with taxi drivers.  For me, it&#039;s an opportunity to practice my Spanish and learn a little bit about the new place I&#039;ve just entered.  I won&#039;t even begin to comment on the ignorance of the commenter who wrote of Americans&#039; obssession with cars...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think the article and many of the subsequent comments touch on important issues, I have to disagree with the point about seeking cheap meals on the road when one dines high-class at home.  I&#8217;m traveling throughout South America for 10 months, give or take or when my money runs out, and I purposefully seek out cheap, street food because I think it offers an authentic experience.  In many places I&#8217;ve visited so far on this trip, the expensive restaurants are geared towards tourists.  I don&#8217;t want a menu in English, and I don&#8217;t want to eat over-priced, bad pizza.  Furthermore, for me, the length of my trip is dependent upon how much money I have, so if saving $5 a day lets me have three more weeks, I&#8217;ll take it.<br />
As far as the taxi issue, sometimes it is absolutely necessary to take a taxi over public transportation.  In Brazil, for example, when I was couchsurfing and staying with locals, I was told never to take a bus after dark.  Also, I agree with Claudio88 who writes of great conversations with taxi drivers.  For me, it&#8217;s an opportunity to practice my Spanish and learn a little bit about the new place I&#8217;ve just entered.  I won&#8217;t even begin to comment on the ignorance of the commenter who wrote of Americans&#8217; obssession with cars&#8230;
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		<title>By: Tim Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful comment - thanks.  I think that hitch-hiking can work out more expensive than public transport - see guide, below: 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/01/04/guide-to-hitchhiking/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2008/01/04/guide-...&lt;/a&gt; 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful comment &#8211; thanks.  I think that hitch-hiking can work out more expensive than public transport &#8211; see guide, below: </p>
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		<title>By: Tim Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good points, Emily!   </description>
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		<title>By: jbrown510</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the piece makes some gross generalizations, it&#039;s a worth starting point for the discussion.   
 
I find that grossly overpaying for services is extremely damaging to international relations and local economies.  When a taxi cab driver in Delhi demands double the tourist rate for a ride which is already quadruple the local rate, and gets it they just assume that the next tourist to come along will pay those rates as well.  Very quickly you get a situation where taxi cabs extort ridiculous rates from tourists and further refuse to drive locals around.  The same if true, and even worse, in Goa FWIW. 
 
Haggling for the best price is standard practice in many cultures and failing to do so just strengthens the idea that all foreigners are rich who can waste money.   
 
One needs to remember that plenty of travelers have fixed budgets and choose to travel to low cost destinations because they are low cost destinations.  I have several times found myself trying to explain to locals in India that I spent most of my budget on airfare and came to India because it&#039;s somewhere I could afford to travel.     
 
Regarding seasonal prices, this is true tourists don&#039;t have a valid right to complain when prices go up or down according to demand.   
 
Regarding working (presumably illegally) I think the ethical ramifications very much depend on the specifics of the situation.  Rarely are travelers truly taking jobs from the homeless masses on the streets, in fact they are probably helping employ them in a macro view.  For example If I take a job as a English speaking tour guide and in the processes employ a non-english speaking driver who gets paid out, as well as I teach a little english to so that maybe someday he&#039;ll be able to drive tourists around on his own, is this not beneficial?   
 
Regarding hitchhiking, I consider it no differently than hitchhiking back home.  It&#039;s certainly always appropriate to contribute something in return, whether it be monetary (paying for gas) or service (helping out to unload the truck). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the piece makes some gross generalizations, it&#039;s a worth starting point for the discussion.   </p>
<p>I find that grossly overpaying for services is extremely damaging to international relations and local economies.  When a taxi cab driver in Delhi demands double the tourist rate for a ride which is already quadruple the local rate, and gets it they just assume that the next tourist to come along will pay those rates as well.  Very quickly you get a situation where taxi cabs extort ridiculous rates from tourists and further refuse to drive locals around.  The same if true, and even worse, in Goa FWIW. </p>
<p>Haggling for the best price is standard practice in many cultures and failing to do so just strengthens the idea that all foreigners are rich who can waste money.   </p>
<p>One needs to remember that plenty of travelers have fixed budgets and choose to travel to low cost destinations because they are low cost destinations.  I have several times found myself trying to explain to locals in India that I spent most of my budget on airfare and came to India because it&#039;s somewhere I could afford to travel.     </p>
<p>Regarding seasonal prices, this is true tourists don&#039;t have a valid right to complain when prices go up or down according to demand.   </p>
<p>Regarding working (presumably illegally) I think the ethical ramifications very much depend on the specifics of the situation.  Rarely are travelers truly taking jobs from the homeless masses on the streets, in fact they are probably helping employ them in a macro view.  For example If I take a job as a English speaking tour guide and in the processes employ a non-english speaking driver who gets paid out, as well as I teach a little english to so that maybe someday he&#039;ll be able to drive tourists around on his own, is this not beneficial?   </p>
<p>Regarding hitchhiking, I consider it no differently than hitchhiking back home.  It&#039;s certainly always appropriate to contribute something in return, whether it be monetary (paying for gas) or service (helping out to unload the truck).
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		<title>By: &#187; Can low budget travel turn into exploitation? :: Vagablogging :: Rolf Potts Vagabonding Blog</title>
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		<title>By: Emily Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to insert something into the debate here... 
 
So, if people have more money, in say, Japan, when they come to Canada where I live they should pay more? 
 
And if they come from a country which we regard as &quot;poorer&quot;, they should pay less money?   
 
Aren&#039;t we making a few silly generalizations here?  Untimately, a two-tiered pricing system is racist.  It  paints certain groups as being uniformly &quot;privileged&quot; or &quot;downtrodden&quot;...oh, the old oppressors and victims trap!  This doesn&#039;t help to erase social divisions, particularly.  And it&#039;s just untrue...are all white people rich?  Are all Western travelers rich?  Are all &quot;brown people&quot; poor?  NO.  I don&#039;t like demoting others to useless symbols.   
 
I lived in India for a long time. Some locals would see my little white face coming and the price would go up ten fold.  I was writing for a living, even in India, and not even being paid properly because some of the publications I was writing for in India already felt I had &quot;enough money&quot;, based on my skin colour.  I got this ALL the time.  It became exhausting, on my mind as wella s my bank account, to the point where I no longer wanted to work in India.  I am not saying ALL of India is like this- mentalities of &quot;uniform anything&quot; are a total disaster, but some of my experience was this exact problem.   
 
When visitors come to my country, I see them as valuable as I am.  That&#039;s called true hospitality.  They should respect me and I should respect them- as PEOPLE first, not nationalities, or dollars and cents, and part of that is charging a fair price, even if I know they have more money than me.  My contribution to this equasion is not being an ugly traveller and bartering over the last dime.  I mea, let&#039;s all agree to be decent here.   
 
I&#039;m NOT defending the cheap-ass jerks who haggle over TWO CENTS, but I don&#039;t appreciate being charged double for everything in some places I&#039;ve travelled.  It&#039;s garbage logic.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to insert something into the debate here&#8230; </p>
<p>So, if people have more money, in say, Japan, when they come to Canada where I live they should pay more? </p>
<p>And if they come from a country which we regard as &quot;poorer&quot;, they should pay less money?   </p>
<p>Aren&#039;t we making a few silly generalizations here?  Untimately, a two-tiered pricing system is racist.  It  paints certain groups as being uniformly &quot;privileged&quot; or &quot;downtrodden&quot;&#8230;oh, the old oppressors and victims trap!  This doesn&#039;t help to erase social divisions, particularly.  And it&#039;s just untrue&#8230;are all white people rich?  Are all Western travelers rich?  Are all &quot;brown people&quot; poor?  NO.  I don&#039;t like demoting others to useless symbols.   </p>
<p>I lived in India for a long time. Some locals would see my little white face coming and the price would go up ten fold.  I was writing for a living, even in India, and not even being paid properly because some of the publications I was writing for in India already felt I had &quot;enough money&quot;, based on my skin colour.  I got this ALL the time.  It became exhausting, on my mind as wella s my bank account, to the point where I no longer wanted to work in India.  I am not saying ALL of India is like this- mentalities of &quot;uniform anything&quot; are a total disaster, but some of my experience was this exact problem.   </p>
<p>When visitors come to my country, I see them as valuable as I am.  That&#039;s called true hospitality.  They should respect me and I should respect them- as PEOPLE first, not nationalities, or dollars and cents, and part of that is charging a fair price, even if I know they have more money than me.  My contribution to this equasion is not being an ugly traveller and bartering over the last dime.  I mea, let&#039;s all agree to be decent here.   </p>
<p>I&#039;m NOT defending the cheap-ass jerks who haggle over TWO CENTS, but I don&#039;t appreciate being charged double for everything in some places I&#039;ve travelled.  It&#039;s garbage logic.
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		<title>By: Turner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree with you on budget accommodation - simple bungalows in Thailand usually cost about $5-20/night, but I&#039;ve still seen people haggle over a few bucks.   
 
As far as hitchhiking is concerned... well, I did it in Japan, where no one should ever need to hitchhike - trains and buses run to every corner.  I just wanted to see how Japanese would react to a hitchhiking foreigner.  Very hospitably. 
 
No tipping in Japan, either, but I&#039;ve tried to wrap my brain around what to do at a Japanese-owned and operated restaurant in Auckland... the service was great... but do they want, or will they accept tips?   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree with you on budget accommodation &#8211; simple bungalows in Thailand usually cost about $5-20/night, but I&#039;ve still seen people haggle over a few bucks.   </p>
<p>As far as hitchhiking is concerned&#8230; well, I did it in Japan, where no one should ever need to hitchhike &#8211; trains and buses run to every corner.  I just wanted to see how Japanese would react to a hitchhiking foreigner.  Very hospitably. </p>
<p>No tipping in Japan, either, but I&#039;ve tried to wrap my brain around what to do at a Japanese-owned and operated restaurant in Auckland&#8230; the service was great&#8230; but do they want, or will they accept tips?
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		<title>By: Irv</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such an important issue--thank you! I lived abroad for many years, and saw it happen so many times--tourists haggling over an issue of a few cents, getting angry, losing face...an all around bad scene. There&#039;s a fine line between traveling on a budget, and being a cheapskate, and that line is mostly mindfulness. In my experience, courtesy goes a long way, and knowing when to pay that 50 cent &quot;tourist tax&quot; without making a scene. </description>
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		<title>By: Hazardous Pioneers</title>
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		<description>Interesting article. 
I think the &#039;cheapskates&#039; that you have come across, are of a certain genre. It sounds to me as if they are the cash-flashers back home, but when they travel, they want to be the backpackers, or more accurately, the flashpackers, and so they regard it as somewhat &#039;trendy&#039; or &#039;cool&#039; to try and do everything on the cheap. 
 
The hitchhiking section was interesting. Seeing as words only communicate 7% of what we as humans are trying to get across, I think that hitchhiking and not speaking the language is a great way to get a feel of the locals.  
Haha, in a way you contradict yourself. You say it is all about the attitude? Of course it is. On the public bus you can sit with your iPod in and not talk to anyone, or you can hitchhike and make an effort. Or vice versa. 
Most hitchhikers usually chip in something, a beer, food, cash, whatever. And for those that don&#039;t? That&#039;s on their book. 
 
There are other ways to earn, such as teaching the locals English (if you speak it). For those that require to be taught, often travelers can teach at a fraction of the price for what it would cost elsewhere for a private lesson. 
 
I do agree with &#039;Frugality being a lifetime commitment&#039; for sure. I think for a lot of real travelers, and not the flashpackers, frugality becomes second nature back home, after seeing what we see whilst on the road. 
 
As for always paying the right amount... Well that would make the world a little boring without a haggle or two, wouldn&#039;t it? 
 
;) 
Nice one on the article, it has inspired thought and reaction! 
Good job 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.<br />
I think the &#039;cheapskates&#039; that you have come across, are of a certain genre. It sounds to me as if they are the cash-flashers back home, but when they travel, they want to be the backpackers, or more accurately, the flashpackers, and so they regard it as somewhat &#039;trendy&#039; or &#039;cool&#039; to try and do everything on the cheap. </p>
<p>The hitchhiking section was interesting. Seeing as words only communicate 7% of what we as humans are trying to get across, I think that hitchhiking and not speaking the language is a great way to get a feel of the locals.<br />
Haha, in a way you contradict yourself. You say it is all about the attitude? Of course it is. On the public bus you can sit with your iPod in and not talk to anyone, or you can hitchhike and make an effort. Or vice versa.<br />
Most hitchhikers usually chip in something, a beer, food, cash, whatever. And for those that don&#039;t? That&#039;s on their book. </p>
<p>There are other ways to earn, such as teaching the locals English (if you speak it). For those that require to be taught, often travelers can teach at a fraction of the price for what it would cost elsewhere for a private lesson. </p>
<p>I do agree with &#039;Frugality being a lifetime commitment&#039; for sure. I think for a lot of real travelers, and not the flashpackers, frugality becomes second nature back home, after seeing what we see whilst on the road. </p>
<p>As for always paying the right amount&#8230; Well that would make the world a little boring without a haggle or two, wouldn&#039;t it?<br />
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Nice one on the article, it has inspired thought and reaction!<br />
Good job </p>
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