Comments on: New Study: Community Based Tourism Doomed To Fail? http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/ Online travel magazine dedicated to exploring travel in the 21st century. Offering travel news, compelling interviews, online travel tools, and more. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:48:01 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: wimba anenggata http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-93517 wimba anenggata Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:08:49 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-93517 So far I know in around ubud gianyar bali indonesia, the enormous complex of cbt 'hotel' are well operated. No aid only villagers creativity and economy. Do they picturing the life of cbt? I think absolutely yes. No wonder the study must meet some details of rural-archicteure value to go along with. Thank you So far I know in around ubud gianyar bali indonesia, the enormous complex of cbt ‘hotel’ are well operated. No aid only villagers creativity and economy. Do they picturing the life of cbt? I think absolutely yes. No wonder the study must meet some details of rural-archicteure value to go along with. Thank you

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]]> By: David Coathup http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-92003 David Coathup Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:18:23 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-92003 The problem with most CBT projects is that they are developed by academics/consultants who have very little practical experience of owning or operating a tourism enterprise. They themselves are funder reliant, therefore it is no wonder that they carry this mind set into the projects. CBT, like all forms of tourism must be based on sound business principles and therefore the "bottom Line" counts.The projects cannot achieve their stated community goals if they are not viable, in fact they will foster discontent within the communities because the results will not match the communities expectations. I believe there are success stories but they have not been classified as CBT projects and therefore don't appear on the screen. A farm which offers accommodation and food to travelers in a rural community and provides jobs, an therefore income, within that community would not normally be classified as a CBT initiative. It however meets the needs of the owner and the community but is simply not recognized as fulfilling these goals. The problem with most CBT projects is that they are developed by academics/consultants who have very little practical experience of owning or operating a tourism enterprise. They themselves are funder reliant, therefore it is no wonder that they carry this mind set into the projects. CBT, like all forms of tourism must be based on sound business principles and therefore the “bottom Line” counts.The projects cannot achieve their stated community goals if they are not viable, in fact they will foster discontent within the communities because the results will not match the communities expectations. I believe there are success stories but they have not been classified as CBT projects and therefore don’t appear on the screen. A farm which offers accommodation and food to travelers in a rural community and provides jobs, an therefore income, within that community would not normally be classified as a CBT initiative. It however meets the needs of the owner and the community but is simply not recognized as fulfilling these goals.

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]]> By: Alnoor Tejpar http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-89216 Alnoor Tejpar Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:50:17 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-89216 Very interesting obeservation. Good to hear that there are some successes, no matter how small. You point out AKDN.s example of Baltit fort . I understand that the AKDN has restored a park in Cairo where they converted a dump site to a park and as a result created jobs and economic revival in the area. Have you heard about this Cairo project, ? Very interesting obeservation. Good to hear that there are some successes, no matter how small. You point out AKDN.s example of Baltit fort . I understand that the AKDN has restored a park in Cairo where they converted a dump site to a park and as a result created jobs and economic revival in the area. Have you heard about this Cairo project, ?

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]]> By: Stephen Chapman http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-89213 Stephen Chapman Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:39:33 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-89213 I had read this study a while ago but pleasantly surprised to see it crop up on here for discussion, nice one Christine. Good to know we agree on a few things :) I had read this study a while ago but pleasantly surprised to see it crop up on here for discussion, nice one Christine. Good to know we agree on a few things :)

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]]> By: Christine Garvin http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-89211 Christine Garvin Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:17:13 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-89211 Stephen, thanks for your comment. I tend to agree with you that our western academic approach always wants results in widgets, and if the particular data that we are looking for isn't showing up, it means it's no good. And I also agree that there is often a great deal of work at the outset of projects, but not enough long term support (or even having properly assessed if the community wants a particular project in the first place). Stephen, thanks for your comment. I tend to agree with you that our western academic approach always wants results in widgets, and if the particular data that we are looking for isn’t showing up, it means it’s no good.

And I also agree that there is often a great deal of work at the outset of projects, but not enough long term support (or even having properly assessed if the community wants a particular project in the first place).

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]]> By: Stephen Chapman http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-89210 Stephen Chapman Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:50:53 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-89210 I tend to think that all these labels are a real hinderance and this study seems to suggest that too. There are "a number of initiatives which are not CBT which have demonstrated very considerable employment, local economic development and collective community benefits". Maybe part of the problem here lies in academics trying too hard to assess and classify projects, perhaps they should be casting a wider net to understand what really works and not present such a negative outlook. I think a massive problem also lies in the fact that there's a great deal of support for the creation of these types of initiatives, but very little thought and assistance given to establising a sustainable route to market for them - something that whl.travel and whlconsulting have quite admirably been working hard to address. I tend to think that all these labels are a real hinderance and this study seems to suggest that too. There are “a number of initiatives which are not CBT which have demonstrated very considerable employment, local economic development and collective community benefits”. Maybe part of the problem here lies in academics trying too hard to assess and classify projects, perhaps they should be casting a wider net to understand what really works and not present such a negative outlook.

I think a massive problem also lies in the fact that there’s a great deal of support for the creation of these types of initiatives, but very little thought and assistance given to establising a sustainable route to market for them – something that whl.travel and whlconsulting have quite admirably been working hard to address.

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]]> By: Rebecca http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-89209 Rebecca Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:46:46 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-89209 I never heard of CBT. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I agree that there would need to be a balance between the community and tourists. Further research and development of CBT's will be necessary if it's going to be a success. I never heard of CBT. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I agree that there would need to be a balance between the community and tourists. Further research and development of CBT’s will be necessary if it’s going to be a success.

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]]> By: Tim Patterson http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/04/08/new-study-community-based-tourism-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-89208 Tim Patterson Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:16:43 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=793#comment-89208 There are success stories - like the community based eco-tourism in Luang Namtha, Laos. On the whole though, its extremely difficult to get the right balance between attracting enough tourists to sustain the operation and getting too many, which overwhelms the entire community. There are success stories – like the community based eco-tourism in Luang Namtha, Laos. On the whole though, its extremely difficult to get the right balance between attracting enough tourists to sustain the operation and getting too many, which overwhelms the entire community.

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