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		<title>By: Wakeup All TO The World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wakeup All TO The World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wake UP India is a poor Country if all the socalled GUrus had reall powers 
India would not be like it is in the present.
So please dont believe those Fake Gurus who are selling their crap overseas to make good money.
Think ! why they dont help their own Country because they are poor!!!!
So its as easy like that
Like this thief below !
Ravi Singh tel: 91 9892745771 email  : Rshopuphotmail.com web Site: Http://blackmagichealer.blogspot.com/2009/04/black-Magic-Healer.html http://blackmagichealer.blogspot.com/2009/04/talisman-Raksha-Kavach-For-Black-Magic.html 

Search on google and you will be surprised ( Ravi Sing Black Magic Healer ) 

Be warned for these internetgangs because they are doing crime in millions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wake UP India is a poor Country if all the socalled GUrus had reall powers<br />
India would not be like it is in the present.<br />
So please dont believe those Fake Gurus who are selling their crap overseas to make good money.<br />
Think ! why they dont help their own Country because they are poor!!!!<br />
So its as easy like that<br />
Like this thief below !<br />
Ravi Singh tel: 91 9892745771 email  : Rshopuphotmail.com web Site: Http://blackmagichealer.blogspot.com/2009/04/black-Magic-Healer.html <a href="http://blackmagichealer.blogspot.com/2009/04/talisman-Raksha-Kavach-For-Black-Magic.html" rel="nofollow">http://blackmagichealer.blogspot.com/2009/04/talisman-Raksha-Kavach-For-Black-Magic.html</a> </p>
<p>Search on google and you will be surprised ( Ravi Sing Black Magic Healer ) </p>
<p>Be warned for these internetgangs because they are doing crime in millions
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most Indian healers and guru&#039;s are thiefs.
They use internet to offer ritual items or tantric items to costumers.
This is not okay because they are fraud!
Why they are fraud ?
Let me tell you this:
They buy items on the local market for about 200 Rupees the piece, well that’s a few dollar lets say 4 dollar they put in online in their online spiritual shop for between 100 and 200 dollars the piece.
There are a lot Indians from out of Indian who were brought up with this supernatural tales and so.
That they will buy these items that knowledge is by these fake gurus and healers.
Also there is a guy In India Who is taking advantage of people with problems.
This guy Ravi Singh so called Balck magic healer is offering his service online to everyone who want’s it or not.
He scammed a lot of people also by not sending the paid items.
This guy is a real big scam he is spamming world wide and is also replying on blog with solutions and after wards he scammes  the most  NRI’s  ( not recidential Indians )  
Google and you see : Ravi Singh fraud black magic healer.
Also  a notice if there is something like a real guru or healer who is offering solutions against poverty, Then why he is not helping his own country because India is a land full of beggars , scammers , thiefs  and a hand full of honest people.
If you visit India you will see this text on the most carnumberplates: out of the 100 there are 80 not reliable still is my India very sacred.
So the Indians self now it.
But this is a waning for everybody else.
Watch out for fake gurus And so called black magic healer Ravi Singh fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most Indian healers and guru&#8217;s are thiefs.<br />
They use internet to offer ritual items or tantric items to costumers.<br />
This is not okay because they are fraud!<br />
Why they are fraud ?<br />
Let me tell you this:<br />
They buy items on the local market for about 200 Rupees the piece, well that’s a few dollar lets say 4 dollar they put in online in their online spiritual shop for between 100 and 200 dollars the piece.<br />
There are a lot Indians from out of Indian who were brought up with this supernatural tales and so.<br />
That they will buy these items that knowledge is by these fake gurus and healers.<br />
Also there is a guy In India Who is taking advantage of people with problems.<br />
This guy Ravi Singh so called Balck magic healer is offering his service online to everyone who want’s it or not.<br />
He scammed a lot of people also by not sending the paid items.<br />
This guy is a real big scam he is spamming world wide and is also replying on blog with solutions and after wards he scammes  the most  NRI’s  ( not recidential Indians )<br />
Google and you see : Ravi Singh fraud black magic healer.<br />
Also  a notice if there is something like a real guru or healer who is offering solutions against poverty, Then why he is not helping his own country because India is a land full of beggars , scammers , thiefs  and a hand full of honest people.<br />
If you visit India you will see this text on the most carnumberplates: out of the 100 there are 80 not reliable still is my India very sacred.<br />
So the Indians self now it.<br />
But this is a waning for everybody else.<br />
Watch out for fake gurus And so called black magic healer Ravi Singh fraud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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		<title>By: lena</title>
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		<dc:creator>lena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW. Original author here. I am amazed that my comment about money-grubbing so-called spiritualists could spark such an intense discussion. Keep in mind, I live in LA--I encounter the most shamelessly self-aggrandizing hypocrites in the world, because they gravitate to this town.

Nonetheless, I would say I&#039;ve stumbled upon something. My original comment was in passing--I said it because I was annoyed that when I was researching and writing my books, none of the so-called &quot;spiritual gurus&quot; would give me the time of day. Billionaires would. Olympians would. But not the gurus. They were on the lookout for more lucrative, more high-profile opportunities. And yeah, it made me mad. I would expect such behavior from a C-list reality star, but not someone who supposedly lives on a higher plane.

I didn&#039;t intend to make a serious and sweeping social commentary--okay, maybe I did, but I didn&#039;t think anyone would pick up on it. However, now that you have, I&#039;ll give you my opinon, which is that people who are possessed of an overabundance of anything--be it spiritual enlightenment, topical intellect, financial resources, or just plain energy--want to *share*. They don&#039;t want to withold and wait for the highest bid.

The person who wound up doing that interview is one of the most beautiful girls I&#039;ve ever met. She&#039;s about 26 years old, a personal trainer, and as far as I know she doesn&#039;t bring obscure Southeast-Asian deities or anything having to do with the Kaballah, into the workplace. However. She&#039;s overcome near-fatal injuries, brain damage, chronic illness and all the emotional difficulties that accompany such things.  And her energy is just as bright and sparkly as can be. Regardless of whether she&#039;s being paid for it, her instinct is to inspire and support other people in their pursuit of wellness. To me, this is a real healer, and a reliable source. All the rest of them should go off to Info-mercial Land  and never bother me again.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW. Original author here. I am amazed that my comment about money-grubbing so-called spiritualists could spark such an intense discussion. Keep in mind, I live in LA&#8211;I encounter the most shamelessly self-aggrandizing hypocrites in the world, because they gravitate to this town.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I would say I&#8217;ve stumbled upon something. My original comment was in passing&#8211;I said it because I was annoyed that when I was researching and writing my books, none of the so-called &#8220;spiritual gurus&#8221; would give me the time of day. Billionaires would. Olympians would. But not the gurus. They were on the lookout for more lucrative, more high-profile opportunities. And yeah, it made me mad. I would expect such behavior from a C-list reality star, but not someone who supposedly lives on a higher plane.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t intend to make a serious and sweeping social commentary&#8211;okay, maybe I did, but I didn&#8217;t think anyone would pick up on it. However, now that you have, I&#8217;ll give you my opinon, which is that people who are possessed of an overabundance of anything&#8211;be it spiritual enlightenment, topical intellect, financial resources, or just plain energy&#8211;want to *share*. They don&#8217;t want to withold and wait for the highest bid.</p>
<p>The person who wound up doing that interview is one of the most beautiful girls I&#8217;ve ever met. She&#8217;s about 26 years old, a personal trainer, and as far as I know she doesn&#8217;t bring obscure Southeast-Asian deities or anything having to do with the Kaballah, into the workplace. However. She&#8217;s overcome near-fatal injuries, brain damage, chronic illness and all the emotional difficulties that accompany such things.  And her energy is just as bright and sparkly as can be. Regardless of whether she&#8217;s being paid for it, her instinct is to inspire and support other people in their pursuit of wellness. To me, this is a real healer, and a reliable source. All the rest of them should go off to Info-mercial Land  and never bother me again.</p>
<p>.
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		<title>By: ramu naidu sathiyam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ramu naidu sathiyam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is too good to say no good as GOD blessed all the needs what we want in life. You are best master and guru to know who you are! WE seek advice of spiritual guru to know ourselves whether we attain the spiritual knowledge  we are seeking.
We are what we are and what we want in life, are all in us as the Almighty blessed us the best of best to know HIM to the fullest.
GOD is like the divine mother who runs to the aid of her weeping child when he or she cries for her. So when we need something or missing something cry loudly to GOD and HIS help comes to us in some form that astonish us.
All spiritual gurus are Godly form who born again and again to teach us the reality of life so that we do no injustice or harm to any living creature of the CREATOR as HE created us very creative to know HIS simple form of creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is too good to say no good as GOD blessed all the needs what we want in life. You are best master and guru to know who you are! WE seek advice of spiritual guru to know ourselves whether we attain the spiritual knowledge  we are seeking.<br />
We are what we are and what we want in life, are all in us as the Almighty blessed us the best of best to know HIM to the fullest.<br />
GOD is like the divine mother who runs to the aid of her weeping child when he or she cries for her. So when we need something or missing something cry loudly to GOD and HIS help comes to us in some form that astonish us.<br />
All spiritual gurus are Godly form who born again and again to teach us the reality of life so that we do no injustice or harm to any living creature of the CREATOR as HE created us very creative to know HIS simple form of creation.
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		<title>By: sander</title>
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		<dc:creator>sander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warning be aware of Ravi Singh, he is a thief.
These guys are spamming on sites over the whole world en are claming to be bonafide but they are crooks.
I did order for 350 Euro&#039;s sometings never got it and now they are not reply any mail or phonecall.
Be warned don&#039;t order anyting at their websites.
They also copy products photosfrom other websites and claim that they have it in stock.
After you make payment you will never hear something from them.

This are the formalities of the imposter
http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/105607170/Cats_Chord_Billi_Ki_Naal_Billi.html

Company Name: Black Magic Spiritual Tantric Products 
Street Address: New Goldennest 
City: Mumbai 
Province/State: Maharashtra 
Country/Region: India 
Zip: 401105 
Telephone: 91-022-9892745771 
Mobile Phone: 91 9892745771 
Fax: 91 
Website: http://www.blackmagichealer.blogspot.com 

rshopup@hotmail.com ravi_hhh50@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning be aware of Ravi Singh, he is a thief.<br />
These guys are spamming on sites over the whole world en are claming to be bonafide but they are crooks.<br />
I did order for 350 Euro&#8217;s sometings never got it and now they are not reply any mail or phonecall.<br />
Be warned don&#8217;t order anyting at their websites.<br />
They also copy products photosfrom other websites and claim that they have it in stock.<br />
After you make payment you will never hear something from them.</p>
<p>This are the formalities of the imposter<br />
<a href="http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/105607170/Cats_Chord_Billi_Ki_Naal_Billi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/105607170/Cats_Chord_Billi_Ki_Naal_Billi.html</a></p>
<p>Company Name: Black Magic Spiritual Tantric Products<br />
Street Address: New Goldennest<br />
City: Mumbai<br />
Province/State: Maharashtra<br />
Country/Region: India<br />
Zip: 401105<br />
Telephone: 91-022-9892745771<br />
Mobile Phone: 91 9892745771<br />
Fax: 91<br />
Website: <a href="http://www.blackmagichealer.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackmagichealer.blogspot.com</a> </p>
<p><a href="mailto:rshopup@hotmail.com">rshopup@hotmail.com</a> <a href="mailto:ravi_hhh50@hotmail.com">ravi_hhh50@hotmail.com</a>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt that there are spiritual leaders who are more interested in the weight of their purse than the weight of their pulpit. With that being said I don&#039;t believe that it is wrong to accept a degree of monetary compensation for the service you offer. That is the nature of the world we live in. Doctors get paid for healing your body. Psychologists get paid for healing your mind and spiritual leaders get paid for healing your soul. You have to ask yourself if the value you receive is worth the price that you pay. Where one might see the value in sending a check to the late night preacher that will heal you if you just send a donation of $1,000 another will not see the value. You know instinctively if the message is pure and the value is warranted. If it doesn&#039;t feel right you know what to do.....
Namaste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that there are spiritual leaders who are more interested in the weight of their purse than the weight of their pulpit. With that being said I don&#8217;t believe that it is wrong to accept a degree of monetary compensation for the service you offer. That is the nature of the world we live in. Doctors get paid for healing your body. Psychologists get paid for healing your mind and spiritual leaders get paid for healing your soul. You have to ask yourself if the value you receive is worth the price that you pay. Where one might see the value in sending a check to the late night preacher that will heal you if you just send a donation of $1,000 another will not see the value. You know instinctively if the message is pure and the value is warranted. If it doesn&#8217;t feel right you know what to do&#8230;..<br />
Namaste
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		<title>By: Trip Reviews</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe all they want is you money. How many people claimed to be the new Jesus or the new spiritual leader? Thousands!
I live in Argentina (hope you write about my beautiful country) and we get those leaders every 5 years or so. All of them turn to be a scam. Theres a guy now that calles himself &quot;Love Pastor&quot; or something like that. He had many many followers and now he is in jail accused of rape.

I think people, mostly poor people, NEED to have a spiritual leader that will tell them everything will be alright. They NEED to trust somebody that will tell them they will be better.

Thanks, fuser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe all they want is you money. How many people claimed to be the new Jesus or the new spiritual leader? Thousands!<br />
I live in Argentina (hope you write about my beautiful country) and we get those leaders every 5 years or so. All of them turn to be a scam. Theres a guy now that calles himself &#8220;Love Pastor&#8221; or something like that. He had many many followers and now he is in jail accused of rape.</p>
<p>I think people, mostly poor people, NEED to have a spiritual leader that will tell them everything will be alright. They NEED to trust somebody that will tell them they will be better.</p>
<p>Thanks, fuser
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		<title>By: Ekaterina</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad that Christine published this article, as this &#039;spam&#039; &#039;true&#039; thing has been a lot on my mind lately!
It is also very timely, since people forget nowdays that reality is not what is told to you by others (as Jonathan says on his site in different words), but what you learn out of it.

I like your summary Philip about the categories of &#039;healers&#039;, - it&#039;s exactly the case!
I looked briefly at your site, and I think you are among the few who doesn&#039;t say bullshit about the ego (apart from my teacher in Amsterdam).
I am tired of hearing the &#039;mantra&#039;, that we should get rid of our ego.
We can&#039;t! Especially in our society and in order to &#039;achieve&#039; something (even if I don&#039;t like the term). It&#039;s how to become aware when only the ego drives us that we have to learn.
I laugh every time when a &#039;spiritual master&#039; says that &#039;I will teach you how to get rid of your ego&#039; while charging ridiculous amount of money for what he says...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad that Christine published this article, as this &#8217;spam&#8217; &#8216;true&#8217; thing has been a lot on my mind lately!<br />
It is also very timely, since people forget nowdays that reality is not what is told to you by others (as Jonathan says on his site in different words), but what you learn out of it.</p>
<p>I like your summary Philip about the categories of &#8216;healers&#8217;, &#8211; it&#8217;s exactly the case!<br />
I looked briefly at your site, and I think you are among the few who doesn&#8217;t say bullshit about the ego (apart from my teacher in Amsterdam).<br />
I am tired of hearing the &#8216;mantra&#8217;, that we should get rid of our ego.<br />
We can&#8217;t! Especially in our society and in order to &#8216;achieve&#8217; something (even if I don&#8217;t like the term). It&#8217;s how to become aware when only the ego drives us that we have to learn.<br />
I laugh every time when a &#8217;spiritual master&#8217; says that &#8216;I will teach you how to get rid of your ego&#8217; while charging ridiculous amount of money for what he says&#8230;
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		<title>By: philip</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post and comments! Thank you all. Really enjoyed reading this page so far. 
In any field (consciousness, healing, the arts, but also plain old business) there seem to be:

- Those who are scams and get the karma they deserve
- Those who do great work and get paid well
- Those who are scams and get paid way too much
- Those who really do the work out of the love and unfortunately don&#039;t get paid because they don&#039;t know how to market themselves or find certain selling techniques distasteful

Unfortunately, and maybe because of the way our monetary system is set up, the latter two groups seem the predominant ones - at least in my experience. Think the important thing here that will help this and already is helping this situation, is the shift from marketing machines and controlled outlets like television, to more and more peer networking and peer evaluation.
Instead of reading what some celebrity on television tells you to, read the books that your friends recommend. Same with healers. No matter how they market to you, base it on someone&#039;s recommendation.

When the student is ready, the teacher appears. Sometimes, they appear as scams, too. It&#039;s a lesson learned ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post and comments! Thank you all. Really enjoyed reading this page so far.<br />
In any field (consciousness, healing, the arts, but also plain old business) there seem to be:</p>
<p>- Those who are scams and get the karma they deserve<br />
- Those who do great work and get paid well<br />
- Those who are scams and get paid way too much<br />
- Those who really do the work out of the love and unfortunately don&#8217;t get paid because they don&#8217;t know how to market themselves or find certain selling techniques distasteful</p>
<p>Unfortunately, and maybe because of the way our monetary system is set up, the latter two groups seem the predominant ones &#8211; at least in my experience. Think the important thing here that will help this and already is helping this situation, is the shift from marketing machines and controlled outlets like television, to more and more peer networking and peer evaluation.<br />
Instead of reading what some celebrity on television tells you to, read the books that your friends recommend. Same with healers. No matter how they market to you, base it on someone&#8217;s recommendation.</p>
<p>When the student is ready, the teacher appears. Sometimes, they appear as scams, too. It&#8217;s a lesson learned <img src='http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Ekaterina</title>
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		<description>Hi Jonathan,

you made me laugh with your story about the guy who asks for money to think about you during the event!

The problem is that these kind of people abuse power and just give a bad name to anything &#039;psychic&#039;.

Personally, I did encounter a couple of people who have real abilities and help (and guess what? They are not super-rich!) other people and I do call one psychic like twice a year...(well, more often), but he is more of a advisor, and is just a genuine and kind person. I don&#039;t see any problem in paying him either, even if for a couple of times he didn&#039;t charge me when he knew that I was low on money.

Osho, whose wisdom I follow, created his own ashram and did charge people for staying there.
And why not?
In the capitalistic society, money is there  since the day we are born. 
But the problem is that genuine people in this field often lack the &#039;selling&#039; guts of faked gurus...
A pity really, as I rather would see my psychic and my &#039;teacher&#039; from Amsterdam in the rich category, as I know that they would do something good with money...
thanks also for having looked at my blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathan,</p>
<p>you made me laugh with your story about the guy who asks for money to think about you during the event!</p>
<p>The problem is that these kind of people abuse power and just give a bad name to anything &#8216;psychic&#8217;.</p>
<p>Personally, I did encounter a couple of people who have real abilities and help (and guess what? They are not super-rich!) other people and I do call one psychic like twice a year&#8230;(well, more often), but he is more of a advisor, and is just a genuine and kind person. I don&#8217;t see any problem in paying him either, even if for a couple of times he didn&#8217;t charge me when he knew that I was low on money.</p>
<p>Osho, whose wisdom I follow, created his own ashram and did charge people for staying there.<br />
And why not?<br />
In the capitalistic society, money is there  since the day we are born.<br />
But the problem is that genuine people in this field often lack the &#8217;selling&#8217; guts of faked gurus&#8230;<br />
A pity really, as I rather would see my psychic and my &#8216;teacher&#8217; from Amsterdam in the rich category, as I know that they would do something good with money&#8230;<br />
thanks also for having looked at my blog!
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