Comments on: A Moment Of Reflection For Women The World Over http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/ Online travel magazine dedicated to exploring travel in the 21st century. Offering travel news, compelling interviews, online travel tools, and more. Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:37:30 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Christine Garvin http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95609 Christine Garvin Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:38:06 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95609 Here is a slightly different rant on a similar subject I wrote over at my blog: http://www.holisticwithhumor.com/feminism-porn-and-love-in-consideration-of-the-whole-woman. Note: somewhat harsh and graphic. Here is a slightly different rant on a similar subject I wrote over at my blog: http://www.holisticwithhumor.com/feminism-porn-and-love-in-consideration-of-the-whole-woman. Note: somewhat harsh and graphic.

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]]> By: Jonina Kirton http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95367 Jonina Kirton Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:18:20 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95367 Christine and Marc, It is always nice share dialogue with thoughtful people. Thank you!! Namaste Christine and Marc,

It is always nice share dialogue with thoughtful people. Thank you!!

Namaste

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]]> By: Marc Latham http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95363 Marc Latham Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:00:33 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95363 Thanks Jonina and Christine. My first philosophy when I started on this writing lark was: 'When men learn to truly love women they will also begin to love themselves.' So yes, I think that gender equality/acceptabilty is really central to everything. Thanks Jonina and Christine.

My first philosophy when I started on this writing lark was: ‘When men learn to truly love women they will also begin to love themselves.’

So yes, I think that gender equality/acceptabilty is really central to everything.

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]]> By: Christine Garvin http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95355 Christine Garvin Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:01:18 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95355 I also wanted to say thank you to Marc for being the only male commenter, and for your own honest assessment of the situation. And yes, Jonina, as you mentioned, being feminist is not very popular at the moment (has it ever been?) while being anti-racist and anti-homophobic are. It is interesting how deeply connected all the work around freedom and equality are inter-connected and need each other, whether it be based on race, sex, or sexuality. Yet they are often separated for the "larger" cause of that particular issue (I've seen the same happen within feminist circles, although I do feel the awareness of other forms of oppression is palpable). But I do like to contemplate Jonina's last sentence, and think it is worth repeating: "At times I have I wondered if all social issues would dissolve if we took on the issue of sexism." I also wanted to say thank you to Marc for being the only male commenter, and for your own honest assessment of the situation. And yes, Jonina, as you mentioned, being feminist is not very popular at the moment (has it ever been?) while being anti-racist and anti-homophobic are.

It is interesting how deeply connected all the work around freedom and equality are inter-connected and need each other, whether it be based on race, sex, or sexuality. Yet they are often separated for the “larger” cause of that particular issue (I’ve seen the same happen within feminist circles, although I do feel the awareness of other forms of oppression is palpable). But I do like to contemplate Jonina’s last sentence, and think it is worth repeating:

“At times I have I wondered if all social issues would dissolve if we took on the issue of sexism.”

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]]> By: Jonina Kirton http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95332 Jonina Kirton Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:05:04 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95332 Marc, Thank you for your thoughtful response. We need more men to get on board with these issues. I too have often thought race issues gain much more attention that gender issues. Being a feminist is not very popular while being anti-racist appears to be hip at the moment. I am all for anit-racist work. I am a visible minority myself. I get the double whammy of being a woman and being Metis. I worry for all women. Being a visible minority may put you more at risk and more likely to be the victim of violence but this does not mean that being caucasian protects you from this. At times I have I wondered if all social issues would dissolve if we took on the issue of sexism. Namaste Marc,

Thank you for your thoughtful response. We need more men to get on board with these issues. I too have often thought race issues gain much more attention that gender issues. Being a feminist is not very popular while being anti-racist appears to be hip at the moment.

I am all for anit-racist work. I am a visible minority myself. I get the double whammy of being a woman and being Metis. I worry for all women. Being a visible minority may put you more at risk and more likely to be the victim of violence but this does not mean that being caucasian protects you from this.

At times I have I wondered if all social issues would dissolve if we took on the issue of sexism.

Namaste

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]]> By: Marc Latham http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95326 Marc Latham Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:47:00 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95326 I agree that crimes against women/men should be reported within a gender frame for a start. While anything with a hint of race is reported within a race frame most crimes against women are not categorised. In hegemonic theory this is thematic and episodic reporting, with the thematic frames building up imagery, interest and memory in the audience, while the episodic is just put down to humanity and quickly forgotten. Race also seems to get the vast majority of campaigning in sports etc; I'd say 80%. I think that should really be prejudice, as it would encompass gender and all other types, such as sexuality, class and age. Many of the other prejudices seem to be rising under the protective umbrella of race/religion. I'll probably be accused of being racist for writing that! As a heterosexual male I must say I have found it very hard to support women with ideas such as the above. Even many women think you must be weird in some way or after something if you support them, and many men (often the ones who are preaching race equality) think you're some kind of gender traitor. It's also not all one way traffic of course, with many women treating men badly in relationships, or showing prejudice when gaining power themselves. But while the most men usually have to put up with is bitchiness and materialism (hope that's not sexist!) women have to put up with nearly all the rape and the vast majority of violence and murder. I agree that crimes against women/men should be reported within a gender frame for a start. While anything with a hint of race is reported within a race frame most crimes against women are not categorised. In hegemonic theory this is thematic and episodic reporting, with the thematic frames building up imagery, interest and memory in the audience, while the episodic is just put down to humanity and quickly forgotten.

Race also seems to get the vast majority of campaigning in sports etc; I’d say 80%. I think that should really be prejudice, as it would encompass gender and all other types, such as sexuality, class and age. Many of the other prejudices seem to be rising under the protective umbrella of race/religion. I’ll probably be accused of being racist for writing that!

As a heterosexual male I must say I have found it very hard to support women with ideas such as the above. Even many women think you must be weird in some way or after something if you support them, and many men (often the ones who are preaching race equality) think you’re some kind of gender traitor.

It’s also not all one way traffic of course, with many women treating men badly in relationships, or showing prejudice when gaining power themselves.

But while the most men usually have to put up with is bitchiness and materialism (hope that’s not sexist!) women have to put up with nearly all the rape and the vast majority of violence and murder.

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]]> By: Lauren Quinn http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95270 Lauren Quinn Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:50:04 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95270 Man, oh man, do I feel you. Most of the time I'm able to be tough and maintain a fuck-you-I'm-gonna-keep-living-my-awesome-life attitude, but sometimes it just breaks you down. So much of my daily life is shaped by the fact that I'm a woman, and that the threat of violence is always hanging not-so-distantly around me. I recently confronted a lot of these issues while traveling solo through Morocco. There's wasn't any threat of violence ever, but the street harassment wore on me. At first I felt gutsy and defiant (http://lonelygirltravels.com/2009/09/30/bonjour-guapa-you-want-sex/), but by the end I cracked (http://lonelygirltravels.com/2009/10/09/marrakesh-you-broke-me-down/). It's important to keep raising these issues and continuing the dialog, so thank you. Maybe someday we won't have to "just accept it." Man, oh man, do I feel you. Most of the time I’m able to be tough and maintain a fuck-you-I’m-gonna-keep-living-my-awesome-life attitude, but sometimes it just breaks you down. So much of my daily life is shaped by the fact that I’m a woman, and that the threat of violence is always hanging not-so-distantly around me.

I recently confronted a lot of these issues while traveling solo through Morocco. There’s wasn’t any threat of violence ever, but the street harassment wore on me. At first I felt gutsy and defiant (http://lonelygirltravels.com/2009/09/30/bonjour-guapa-you-want-sex/), but by the end I cracked (http://lonelygirltravels.com/2009/10/09/marrakesh-you-broke-me-down/).

It’s important to keep raising these issues and continuing the dialog, so thank you. Maybe someday we won’t have to “just accept it.”

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]]> By: Heather http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95227 Heather Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:17:56 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95227 great article ... will be retweeting it ... and also good comments, I don't need to add more to the comments except to remind travellers that visiting the so-called 'long-necked women' of nthn thailand (etc) is perpetuating the physical damage done to these women by the huge weights pressing down in their collar bones and lungs etc . i must do a blog about this topic too! great article … will be retweeting it … and also good comments, I don’t need to add more to the comments except to remind travellers that visiting the so-called ‘long-necked women’ of nthn thailand (etc) is perpetuating the physical damage done to these women by the huge weights pressing down in their collar bones and lungs etc . i must do a blog about this topic too!

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]]> By: Jonina Kirton http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95225 Jonina Kirton Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:18:48 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95225 This piece is filled with honest emotion about a horrific topic. One which so few seem to be willing to truly acknowledge. When you stated "we are not safe" I felt a huge sigh filled with sadness run through my body. As a young woman I had things happen to me; things that still make me sad to this day but as you say we are resilient. Imagine what we could do if we did not first have to heal from these traumas, if we were met with safety and care in this world. Imagine how it would feel to know you are safe!! To know that you are respected and valued as a woman. That is what I wish for myself and all women around the world. Namaste This piece is filled with honest emotion about a horrific topic. One which so few seem to be willing to truly acknowledge. When you stated “we are not safe” I felt a huge sigh filled with sadness run through my body. As a young woman I had things happen to me; things that still make me sad to this day but as you say we are resilient. Imagine what we could do if we did not first have to heal from these traumas, if we were met with safety and care in this world. Imagine how it would feel to know you are safe!! To know that you are respected and valued as a woman. That is what I wish for myself and all women around the world.

Namaste

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]]> By: Cindy http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/2009/10/30/a-moment-of-reflection-for-women-the-world-over/comment-page-1/#comment-95205 Cindy Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:32:28 +0000 http://www.bravenewtraveler.com/?p=6405#comment-95205 All women, and men who care about them, need to speak up!! It is shocking to me to realize that a group that makes up such a HUGE portion of the world population doesn't get any respect. We need to start at home, speak up, and use the influence (dare I say "power"?) that we have to make changes. I feel this is the #1 issue in the world right now. All women, and men who care about them, need to speak up!! It is shocking to me to realize that a group that makes up such a HUGE portion of the world population doesn’t get any respect. We need to start at home, speak up, and use the influence (dare I say “power”?) that we have to make changes. I feel this is the #1 issue in the world right now.

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